ARWYSTLI MANOR
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ARWYSTLI MANOR

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Location: Montgomeryshire

Places / associated places: Montgomeryshire

Location & Extent

GPS Location & Recorded Land Areas

Representative GPS point: 52.5001, -3.5291

Location / boundary notes:

Identity: confirmed — The National Archives record F236291 identifies Arwystli Manor in Montgomeryshire. The National Library of Wales catalogue independently describes the lordship or manor of Arwystli, its associated title deeds, rentals and properties in Montgomeryshire parishes including Llandinam, Llanidloes, Llanllwchaearn, Llanwnog, Penegoes and Trefeglwys. The supplied survey, rental, court-roll and enclosure references are consistent with this same large historical lordship/manor rather than a modern administrative unit.
Representative point: 52.5001, -3.5291
Basis: documented_manor_house — Talgarth house, near Trefeglwys, is a surviving documented manor house traditionally identified as the seat of the Lords of Arwystli. It is the best surviving precise manorial-site candidate located within the Arwystli lordship, although the identification is traditional rather than demonstrated by a surviving contemporary plan.
Point confidence: medium
Boundary status: representative_point_only
Boundary period: Historical Arwystli lordship/manor, especially the sixteenth to nineteenth centuries
Boundary confidence: none
Boundary basis: The evidence establishes a substantial and territorially distributed lordship/manor, not a single compact modern parish boundary. Archival descriptions place Arwystli-related properties across numerous Montgomeryshire parishes, while historical landscape research distinguishes the former commotes or divisions of Arwystli Uwchcoed and Arwystli Iscoed, with manorial centres at or associated with Talgarth and Pen-prys/Caersws and later administrative importance at Llanidloes. The supplied references include surveys, rentals, court rolls, enclosure material, maps and notes on boundaries, but the accessible evidence does not provide a source-supplied perimeter or enough explicit boundary calls to reconstruct a defensible polygon. A modern parish, community, hundred or county boundary would not be an acceptable substitute.
Sources:
- The National Archives: Arwystli Manor, record F236291: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F236291 — Registry record supplied for the exact manor identity, authority reference GB/NNAF/M172185 and Montgomeryshire location.
- National Library of Wales Archives: Arwystli and Cyfeiliog estates, title deeds: https://archifau.llyfrgell.cymru/index.php/arwystli-and-cyfeiliog-estates-title-deeds — Describes the lordship or manor of Arwystli, its ownership history, Wynnstay acquisition, and associated properties in Llandinam, Llanidloes, Llanllwchaearn, Llanwnog, Penegoes, Trefeglwys and other Montgomeryshire parishes.
- Talgarth, Trefeglwys, Powys: Cadw-listed building record: https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/300007591-talgarth-trefeglwys — Provides coordinates 52.5001, -3.5291 and records that Talgarth was said to have been the seat of the Lords of Arwystli.
- Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust: Clywedog Valley administrative landscape: https://heneb.org.uk/archive/cpat/projects/longer/histland/clywed/clyadm.htm — Explains that Talgarth became the manorial centre of Arwystli Uwchcoed and that the historic Arwystli lordship was later administered through upper and lower divisions corresponding broadly to Arwystli Uwchcoed and Iscoed.
- Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust: Pen-prys, Llys, PRN 142444: https://archwilio.org.uk/arch/query/page.php?watprn=CPAT142444 — Identifies Pen-prys near Caersws as the manorial centre or court of Arwystli Iscoed in the late thirteenth century, demonstrating that the historical territorial organization had more than one manorial centre.
Warnings / uncertainty:
- The exact registry record is identifiable, but Arwystli was a historically complex lordship whose divisions and administrative centres changed over time.
- Talgarth is a documented surviving manor-house candidate and is safe as a representative point, but it should not be interpreted as the geometric centre or complete territorial extent of the manor.
- No defensible historical perimeter polygon was found in the accessible sources. Do not inject a parish, civil-community, hundred, county, modern estate or postcode boundary as the manor boundary.
- The manor's later estate holdings and the medieval or Tudor lordship extent should not automatically be treated as identical.

Records & References

Sources and references mentioning this manor/title which are not necessarily conveyances or transfers.

54 records found · showing 9–16.

1864-1925: rentals, farm and cottage receiving rentals, with Cyfeiliog (continuing rents for sporting and encroachments)

Date / period: 1864-1925 Type: Rental Reference: pp163-4, RC 1-20, RC 22-56, RC 62

Held by: National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services
Further information: NRA 30545 Williams-Wynn

1863-1918: chief rentals (in Tithe, Chief and Fee Farm rentals) with Cyfeiliog

Date / period: 1863-1918 Type: Rental Reference: pp156-9 RB 1-23

Held by: National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services
Further information: NRA 30545 Williams-Wynn

1862-1898: rentals, farm and cottage rents, with Cyfeiliog

Date / period: 1862-1898 Type: Rental Reference: p111 R 117/2c, pp147-9; see schedule for references to individual items

Held by: National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services
Further information: NRA 30545 Williams-Wynn

1861-1883: letters, papers and plans rel to dispute concerning boundary between Crown manors Perfedd, Creuddyn and Mefennydd, co. Cardigan, and Wynne manors of Arwystli and Cyfeliog, co. Montgomery

Date / period: 1861-1883 Type: Archive Record Reference: pp126-7 L650-95

Held by: National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services
Further information: NRA 30545 Williams-Wynn

1850- 1887: correspondence rel to enclosure, poaching, encroachments and appointment of steward (1 bundle)

Date / period: 1850- 1887 Type: Archive Record Reference: DD/WY/5786

Held by: North East Wales Archives (NEWA), Ruthin (formerly Denbighshire Archives)
Further information: NRA 27821

1849-1889: correspondence rel to enclosure, common and shooting rights (1 bundle)

Date / period: 1849-1889 Type: Archive Record Reference: DD/WY/5784

Held by: North East Wales Archives (NEWA), Ruthin (formerly Denbighshire Archives)
Further information: NRA 27821

1841: appointment of gamekeeper, with other manors

Date / period: 1841 Type: Archive Record Reference: DD/WY/5610

Held by: North East Wales Archives (NEWA), Ruthin (formerly Denbighshire Archives)
Further information: NRA 27821

1838-1878: misc papers incl lists of tenants who attended courts, and account of encroachments in p. Llangurig (1 bundle)

Date / period: 1838-1878 Type: Accounts Reference: D/D WY/6384

Held by: North East Wales Archives (NEWA), Ruthin (formerly Denbighshire Archives)
Further information: NRA 27821

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